In this “Face the Country with Margaret Brennan” broadcast, moderated via Margaret Brennan:Â
- Kevin Hassett, White Space Nationwide Financial Council director
- Maryland Gov. Wes Moore, a DemocratÂ
- Virginia Gov.-elect Abigail Spanberger, a DemocratÂ
- New Jersey Gov.-elect Mikie Sherrill, a DemocratÂ
- West Virginia Gov. Patrick Morrisey, a Republican
Click on right here to browse complete transcripts from 2025 of “Face the Country with Margaret Brennan.” Â
MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
And this week on Face the Country: the longest executive shutdown in historical past, and no lead to sight. With each and every passing day, the affect of the federal government shutdown grows, with thousands and thousands of American citizens now dealing with main disruptions, from mass flight cancellations and delays as a result of staffing shortages to rising strains at meals banks, because the Superb Court docket shall we the Trump management withhold some cash to fund meals stamp advantages.
Frustration is mounting, and the blame sport is on.
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GOVERNOR JOSH SHAPIRO (D-Pennsylvania): After I see hungry other folks in my state who’re hungry as a result of J.D. Vance’s bull (EXPLETIVE DELETED) politics, that makes me indignant.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE (R-South Dakota): Is not that what you all had been pronouncing? It is about leverage? This is not leverage. That is the lives of the American other folks.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We can communicate with Maryland’s Democratic Governor Wes Moore and West Virginia’s Republican Governor Patrick Morrisey about how they might fill the investment hole as protection web techniques cling in limbo.
The president’s most sensible financial adviser, Kevin Hassett, can even sign up for us. We can ask him what sort of affect this shutdown is having on our economic system.
Plus:
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DONALD TRUMP (President of the USA): The entire sequence of pricing and prices, the groceries and the whole thing else, it was once a con activity. It was once a con activity. Affordability, they name it. It was once a con activity via the Democrats.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The place the president sees a con activity, Democrats see a profitable message in closing week’s elections. We can listen from two incoming governors, Abigail Spanberger of Virginia and Mikie Sherrill of New Jersey.
It is all simply forward on Face the Country.
Just right morning, and welcome to Face the Country.
The Senate is in consultation lately, a unprecedented weekend workday for lawmakers, however there’s nonetheless no deal to reopen the federal government.
We start this morning with the director of the White Space Nationwide Financial Council, Kevin Hassett.
That is now the longest shutdown in American historical past. The treasury secretary advised us two weeks in the past November 15 was once the arduous forestall for any paychecks going to U.S. troops. Does that stay the purpose of exhaustion?
KEVIN HASSETT (Director, Nationwide Financial Council): Proper. I believe that that is about the precise quantity.
And the issue is that, underneath the legislation, we are not allowed to spend cash that hasn’t been appropriated. And there’s a legislation, the Antideficiency Act, that claims that, if a central authority legit spends cash that is not appropriated via Congress, which can handiest occur if the Democrats vote to open up the federal government, then you want to also have felony consequences.
And so individuals are very moderately finding out the legislation and looking to get as a lot cash out the door as is felony. And we are very happy that we discovered a solution to get a large number of the SNAP cash out, however it is truly, truly pushing the limits of the legislation, which is why the Superb Court docket needed to take that ruling from Rhode Island and put it on dangle.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Till the decrease court docket laws.
KEVIN HASSETT: Till the decrease court docket is going again and springs up with a felony justification for what they mentioned, as a result of there most certainly is not one, unfortunately, which is why we need to get this executive open.
I imply, the reality is, Goldman Sachs, they’ve a most sensible financial workforce, and they are estimating that we now have already knocked about 1.5 % off of GDP. I believe that quantity is most certainly low if we stay going even a pair extra weeks, as a result of there may be going to be an enormous quantity of air disruption, particularly across the vacations.
And the sort of issues – from time to time, after we’re speaking economics, you and I, we discuss seasonal changes and such things as that. However the reality is that Thanksgiving – that Thanksgiving time is one in all the freshest instances of the 12 months for the economic system. It is Black Friday, you already know, and all that roughly stuff.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
KEVIN HASSETT: And if other folks are not touring at that second, then we truly might be taking a look at a adverse quarter for the fourth quarter.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Which is considerably disruptive to the president’s time table.
However to the purpose you have been simply making about meals stamps – and we noticed this Friday, a brief keep via the Superb Court docket that might block complete meals stamp advantages pending the decrease court docket resolution. The management’s argument, as you simply referenced there, was once that it will be unlawful to transport round investment and to faucet the Phase 32 account on the USDA.
However why no longer do that as a non permanent patchwork answer? As a result of you may have discovered techniques with the army pay to stretch issues out. Why prioritize if so and no longer accomplish that with meals?
KEVIN HASSETT: Smartly, the president’s activity and all of our jobs is to uphold the legislation.
And when – I am not a attorney, but if the attorneys let us know…
MARGARET BRENNAN: However, arguably…
KEVIN HASSETT: … what we will do…
MARGARET BRENNAN: … that wasn’t performed with the army.
KEVIN HASSETT: However – however – however, sure, I believe that the army is other as a result of the commander in leader stuff.
However the felony research means that we are doing the whole thing via the ebook after which stretching issues up to we will, and principally looking to stay other folks from committing crimes, which, you already know, you already know about – within the season of lawfare, in case you are a Cupboard secretary and also you spend cash that is not appropriated for that function on your Cupboard, then they may be able to come again and they may be able to take you to court docket.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you are additionally creating a political wager that Democrats are not going to problem paying the army. Do you truly assume Democrats would problem and take to court docket paying other folks for his or her meals stamp advantages…
KEVIN HASSETT: Let’s simply say that we now have noticed Democrats take…
MARGARET BRENNAN: … if – if Congress goes to fund it, when the shutdown ends?
KEVIN HASSETT: We have now noticed Democrats take to court docket those who – on truly, truly deficient, deficient fees, and so I believe they are prone to do anything else.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, it sort of feels a political calculation is the purpose.
KEVIN HASSETT: Smartly, we – we should not have a political calculation. Our calculation is to get the federal government open, to get the meals stamps to other folks, and to get other folks to be paid; 750,000 executive employees are not getting paid at this time.
I do know you are speaking to the governor of Maryland in a minute. I am certain his individuals are truly hurting. Let’s simply get the federal government open, after which let’s discuss such things as the well being care premiums, however do this thru common order.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly – so, it feels like you might be pronouncing the placement is identical, open the federal government, then we will discuss well being care.
However the president, simply prior to now 36 hours, has put out various social media posts. It sounds type of like he is proposing one thing in regard to medical insurance bills. He mentioned: “I am recommending to Senate Republicans that masses of billions of bucks these days being despatched to money-sucking insurance coverage corporations to save lots of dangerous well being care supplied via Obamacare now be despatched to the folk so they may be able to acquire their very own, significantly better well being care.”
He additionally mentioned they must terminate Obamacare. What does this selection machine appear to be? As a result of all of the standoff is ready well being care at this time.
KEVIN HASSETT: Proper. Smartly, the president is, you already know, a gorgeous tactician, a gorgeous negotiator.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is an be offering?
KEVIN HASSETT: And what he – that is – you already know, what he mentioned, he is brainstorming and looking to lend a hand the Senate get a hold of a deal that may get the federal government open.
And some of the issues you want to do is, conservatives imagine that they are not looking for the federal government to micromanage other folks’s lives. And, you already know, everyone believes that individuals must have well being care, and so why no longer take the individuals who have upper well being care premiums and simply mail them a take a look at and allow them to come to a decision?
The explanation why it might have an impact is that there are more than one tiers underneath the Reasonably priced Care Act of several types of insurance coverage. And it might be that individuals would relatively have the cash and cross from, like, you already know, this type of plan to that roughly plan and save themselves a little bit bit.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that this the…
KEVIN HASSETT: And in order that’s – that is, you already know, principally giving the folk a chance to make extra possible choices than the federal government most often allows them to.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that this the Senator Cassidy proposal?
KEVIN HASSETT: I am certain that Senator Cassidy and President Trump mentioned it, however whether or not he concurs with the whole thing that Cassidy – I have never talked to him about it but.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, does the Republican chief within the Senate settle for…
KEVIN HASSETT: The president…
MARGARET BRENNAN: … this proposal?
KEVIN HASSETT: The president has – began this concept the day gone by. I don’t believe that it is been mentioned broadly within the Senate but.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So the president…
KEVIN HASSETT: It is the weekend.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The Senate’s in consultation this weekend.
KEVIN HASSETT: Sure, the Senate is in consultation this weekend. And we’re…
MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of they are looking to finish the shutdown.
KEVIN HASSETT: And right here I’m.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However this isn’t the Republican Birthday party’s place?
KEVIN HASSETT: Present – as of at this time, it is not the Senate place, however the president idea it was once one thing they must take into accounts.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, he appears to be negotiating earlier than the federal government’s open.
KEVIN HASSETT: He is speaking to his colleagues within the Senate at the Republican aspect.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you possibly can agree that there does want to be a deal on well being care, that well being care prices are too top?
KEVIN HASSETT: Smartly, I believe that, in case you have a look at the Reasonably priced Care Act, those premiums were not made everlasting via the Democrats all over the COVID emergency as a result of they have been nervous concerning the budgetary prices.
And so in case you have a look at the top rate will increase, they do not have an effect on the general public under two instances the poverty line, 3 times the poverty line. However there are a large number of senior electorate which might be above, like, round 4 instances the poverty stage, which with a husband and spouse workforce, could be about $120,000, which might be seeing truly giant top rate will increase.
And I believe that everyone’s going to need to take into accounts what the next move for that might be, as a result of are seeing – once more, the general public are not seeing a lot of an building up in any respect, however the most will increase you are seeing might be as much as about $500 a month for seniors who’ve truly pricey plans.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The president has additionally been speaking about affordability.
And our CBS polling displays the president’s approval score at the economic system has dipped to 38 %, the bottom of this time period; 75 % of the ones polled say he is not focusing sufficient on reducing costs.
However the president mentioned this week Democrats are making it up and – quote – “Each value is down.”
I am certain you already know the Client Worth Index confirmed grocery costs are up just about 3 % in September from a 12 months in the past.
KEVIN HASSETT: Smartly, however let’s undergo – let’s cross throughout the information.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you dispute that?
KEVIN HASSETT: Smartly, let – if truth be told, sure, let’s cross throughout the information, proper?
So, inflation went up about 5 % underneath President Biden. In President Trump’s first 8 or 9 months, relying the place we get the closing quantity, it is up 2.7 %. One of the vital giant issues that is hurting affordability is mortgages. The rate of interest went up via about 4 %.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is grocery costs.
KEVIN HASSETT: No, grocery costs are if truth be told down considerably underneath Trump. However this is the item…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, it relies on which merchandise.
KEVIN HASSETT: No, let me – I can simply make some extent, that in case you have a look at the true aid in spending energy for American citizens underneath Joe Biden, then it went down about $3,000, as a result of we had as much as 9 % inflation, after which they went to the grocer, they could not purchase the issues they are used to shopping for.
The actual spending energy adjusted for inflation underneath President Trump has long past up about $1,200 thus far this 12 months; $1,200 isn’t $3,000. And so individuals are proper to really feel stretched, however we are making growth. And in case you have a look at the entire issues, the sure issues, concerning the economic system, commercial manufacturing near to at an all-time top, capital spending about at an all-time top…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
KEVIN HASSETT: … GDP enlargement at this time about 4 %, then that displays that the source of revenue enlargement that we want to get extra affordability is at the trail to going down.
And the secret is that the closing Client Worth Index stunned down. It was once not up to anticipated. And it was once if truth be told – would had been even decrease, as a result of there was once a refinery shutdown that led to it to head somewhat upper. So we see inflation underneath regulate and the economic system booming.
However we perceive one hundred pc why individuals are nonetheless hurting, as a result of we have not made up the entire room that was once misplaced underneath Joe Biden.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So are you pleased with 3 % inflation?
KEVIN HASSETT: I am pleased with 2 % inflation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, no, you are no longer satisfied the place issues at the moment are?
KEVIN HASSETT: I believe – smartly, they have to head down a little bit bit extra, however there – however the level is that inflation is just like the Queen Mary, my pal Alan Greenspan used to mention.
So whilst you cross from virtually 4 % that we had in January…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
KEVIN HASSETT: … all the way down to the mid 2’s, then that is a trajectory that most often has momentum.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, the St. Louis Fed discovered price lists account for half-a- proportion level of the yearly inflation charge. How a lot do you assume the price lists are mountaineering costs?
KEVIN HASSETT: You realize, there may be a few papers in the market that say that costs went up via between two-tenths and five-tenths.
And the item to keep in mind, if the ones papers are true, is that that is a degree modify, since the tariff is going in, after which the tariff is solely there, so it does not have an effect on inflation sooner or later. So, it will be a one-time stage modify.
Our estimates at CEA are a lot nearer to 0, and it is all in line with modeling and assumptions about elasticities and issues. However for essentially the most section, the only approach you’ll be able to see it’s, you want to have a look at the cost of imported items, and the cost of imported items, CEA put a record out, has if truth be told been declining underneath price lists, as a result of what occurs is that the Chinese language need to promote us a variety of stuff.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
KEVIN HASSETT: And there is a tariff, and they reduce their costs in order that they may be able to nonetheless have a bigger marketplace percentage within the U.S.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Kevin Hassett, all the time excellent to have you ever right here in individual.
KEVIN HASSETT: Nice to be right here, in fact. Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We need to go away it there for now.
We will be proper again in a minute. Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We are joined now via the Democratic governor of Maryland, Wes Moore.
Just right to have you ever right here in individual.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE (D-Maryland): Nice to be with you. Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, Governor, one in 8 American citizens use meals stamps. In Maryland, you may have about 700,000 other folks, as I realize it, who depend on this for meals assist.
For the reason that Superb Court docket put that keep in position on Friday, have you learnt whether or not that cash will if truth be told be to be had to citizens on your state to shop for meals?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: We do not know, and that’s the reason why we are not ready.
It’s why, simply prior to now few days, I’ve approved over $10 million that is going against heating help for other folks within the state of Maryland. Over $10 million has long past to our Maryland meals banks, that we’ve got made public transportation unfastened for all of our federal employees, as a result of they, in lots of instances, are going to paintings and no longer being paid.
And I’ve additionally approved $62 million to head against SNAP to be sure that SNAP isn’t going to be interrupted for the folk of Maryland for so long as we will, even though we’re looking forward to the president of the USA to in any case do his activity.
We’re observing the president who’s actually breaking the legislation so other folks can starve, however we are not going to sit down there and tolerate in our state.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, you simply heard Director Hassett say that they’re looking to observe the legislation, which is why they went to the courts.
The USDA did say they have been going to paintings against imposing complete bills, after which there was once this Superb Court docket keep installed position. So, do you may have readability on when cash may well be coming thru in any respect? Like, what is the federal executive telling you?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: There is not any readability – readability in any respect.
Previously – prior to now six days, we now have gained 4 other measures of steering from the USDA and from the Trump management about tips on how to care for it, the place, to begin with, it was once mentioned, smartly, pay attention, we wish the states to lend a hand to enhance, and even though this program was once constructed as a partnership between the government and the states, the place the government have been truly serving to to underwrite those prices for other folks.
After which when we made up our minds to step up and say, we’re going to be sure that our individuals are going to be OK, we now have now…
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re fronting the cash?
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GOVERNOR WES MOORE: That we’re going to entrance the cash.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: We have now now gained steering pronouncing the states are going to be punished for fronting the cash.
There’s a chaos, and it’s an intentional chaos, that we’re seeing from this management, and the place they’ve cash for the whole thing. They were given cash to combat wars. They were given cash for ballrooms. They were given cash for the whole thing.
However on the subject of supporting the American other folks, that is now when they’re crying, smartly, we are broke, and that’s the reason no longer what the legislation calls for us to do.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As you already know, the White Space says the ones – the ones sponsorships for the ballroom are break free executive cash.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However on – at the factor, even though, of the shutdown itself, on Friday, we did see the Democratic chief, Schumer, be offering to finish it if Republicans conform to a one-year extension of the Obamacare well being care subsidies.
Republicans mentioned that is a – that is a nonstarter. That is going to make – it is a giant factor for the midterms. However would you – would you inform the Democrats on Capitol Hill to dig in, that the ache that the people who find themselves dwelling on your state is one way or the other going to be value it in any case for an extension of a tax credit score?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: There is not any ache this is value it. Our individuals are hurting, and they are hurting as a result of those video games that we proceed to peer from Washington, D.C.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However would you inform Democrats, simply take the vote, open the federal government, then stay negotiating well being care?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: I would like the federal government reopened now. There is not any state this is coping with extra of an affect from this than the state of Maryland.
We have now over 260,000 federal employees inside our state, that, even earlier than the shutdown, Donald Trump had fired over 15,000 Maryland employees, federal employees, greater than every other state on this nation.
However I additionally know that pronouncing {that a} prerequisite for having the government open should not be kicking up premiums via 90 %, via kicking other folks off of well being care. There is a bar – there is a – there is a – there is a barbaric nature to this ask and this request, specifically after we’re observing how the Trump – you already know, the Trump management, they’ve the White Space, the Space and the Senate.
They are able to get this deal performed via simply merely creating a telephone name, however they are permitting this ache to exist.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However Democrats actually have a promise from the Republican chief within the Senate that he’s going to discuss well being care in the event that they reopen the federal government.
Why is not that excellent sufficient?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Why – why…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Would you inform your individuals of the Democratic Birthday party to – – to alleviate the ache within the quick time period out of your state?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: I might inform them that we want to make sure that reopening the federal government does no longer imply kicking my other folks off of well being care, that after we’re spending time at this time over in Western Maryland and Appalachia – and I am proud to function the because the – as a co-chair of the Appalachian Regional – Regional Fee, the place we are serving Appalachia, all during no longer simply Maryland, however during West Virginia, during Tennessee and Pennsylvania.
And after we’re talking to our other people in the market who’re already observing their premiums leap, who’re already observing the whole thing develop into dearer as a result of those insurance policies, I don’t believe that any one, whether or not in Western Maryland or any a part of my state, would say, sure, it is OK, in case you simply watch my well being care cross away.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, well being care costs are going up even within the non-public marketplace for a large number of other causes.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Completely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However let me ask you about what is going down in Maryland.
This previous Tuesday, out in California, we noticed this Proposition 50; 64 % of California electorate got here out in enhance of what Gavin Newsom put in the market with redistricting. This may permit him to fee forward with plans to probably achieve an extra 5 Democratic congressional seats.
That is gerrymandering. You’re looking at midterm redistricting on your state as smartly. Of 8 districts, you handiest have one Republican. Do you truly assume Maryland is drawn in an unfair approach at this time?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: I believe that the explanation that I ordered the Governor’s Redistricting Advisory Fee is as a result of I need to be sure that we will have a bipartisan workforce with the ability to have a look at the maps within the state of Maryland. That is one thing that occurs each unmarried…
MARGARET BRENNAN: You do not assume those maps are truthful now?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: That is one thing that occurs each unmarried decade. And if different states are going to have this procedure and undergo this – undergo this adventure of figuring out whether or not or no longer they’ve truthful maps in a mid-decade cycle, then so must Maryland.
I am simply no longer certain why we must be enjoying via a distinct algorithm than Texas or than Florida or than Ohio or these types of different puts.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Since you say the ones states are being unfair. So why undertake unfair insurance policies on your state?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: That is simply merely about ensuring that we will have truthful and consultant maps and we will undergo our procedure.
It is the explanation why that I’ve – I put in combination this fee, the place my activity isn’t to attract the maps, that what we now have simply merely mentioned is, I would like this bipartisan fee so as to if truth be told discuss with the folk and so as to undergo their procedure and simply merely say that, if different states are going to head thru this procedure, that we are not simply going to sit down on our fingers as a result of Donald Trump tells us to, that that is not the way in which this procedure goes to paintings.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, your State Senate president, Democrat Invoice Ferguson, says this may backfire.
He wrote: “I imagine mid-cycle redistricting twist laws for attainable non permanent merit whilst undermining agree with in establishments and in the end democracy. It is too dangerous and jeopardizes your state’s skill to combat towards the unconventional Trump management.”
How do you’re making certain it does not backfire? Do you settle for a map that provides you with extra Republican districts? You might be no longer going to do this.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: I believe preventing for democracy isn’t dangerous. I believe that is our activity as leaders and elected officers. And…
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you are no longer committing to going with the result of what this fee supplies to you?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: No, I believe the fee – what I would like is for the fee to do their paintings and the fee to do their activity. My activity isn’t to attract the maps.
And, frankly, it is the state legislature’s activity to come to a decision to vote on it. That isn’t my duty. My activity is to be sure that I am protective the democratic procedure. And the Senate president and I, we agree at the disaster that Donald Trump has put us in.
He concurs on the truth that we now have watched an management that is the usage of the Charter love it’s an offer field. However what I am merely – and the place we – the place we fluctuate is the urgency that this second calls for, the combat that this second calls for.
And I for my part am any individual who isn’t going to permit Donald Trump to resolve whether or not or no longer Maryland follows this concept of claiming, are we going to do the whole thing we will to ensure we are keeping our democracy?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor Moore, thanks on your time this morning.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Thanks such a lot.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we will be proper again with much more Face the Country, so stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to the Democratic governor-elect of Virginia, Abigail Spanberger. She joins us this morning from Glen Allen, simply out of doors of Richmond.
Welcome to Face the Country.
ABIGAIL SPANBERGER (D-Virginia) (Governor-Elect): Thanks such a lot for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, Virginia boasts some of the absolute best numbers of federal employees within the nation, and, as you already know, a lot of them aren’t getting paid.
You realize, some on your celebration have a look at your election on Tuesday and the win in New Jersey and say this is permission to carry the road in Congress and refuse to fund the federal government or fold at the shutdown. Must congressional Democrats view your victory that approach?
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: Completely no longer.
Our victory was once a victory that was once in line with a marketing campaign that was once addressing issues associated with prices and chaos. My marketing campaign around the previous two years have been all in favour of listening to the demanding situations that individuals are dealing with all throughout Virginia.
It is emerging prices in well being care, housing, power, and it is the chaos popping out of Washington that has been impacting Virginians so significantly, starting with the DOGE efforts, in fact, proceeding with chaotic business insurance policies, and now on this executive shutdown.
Virginians want to and Virginians need to see the federal government reopen. And my expectation is that we can see a Congress, a Senate, and in the end a president, riding us in that route.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However must congressional Democrats open the federal government after which discuss well being care?
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: The federal government must open, and it must open straight away.
We want the president to reveal management, bringing other folks in combination, endeavoring to get thru no matter negotiations want to get thru, whether or not it is earlier than or after. My precedence is the – is that specialize in the desires and the – the devastation, frankly…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: … that greater than 300,000 Virginians are dealing with.
And that is the reason simply the federal workers, executive contractors. They’re going to by no means get made complete. The whole lot of Virginia’s economic system is impacted via the shutdown, simply as we now have been impacted via DOGE assaults, and the federal government must reopen temporarily.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, and that’s the reason why I am asking, as a result of there are, what, 825,000 enrollees on meals assist within the SNAP program. They are in limbo at this time.
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: That is proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You may have quick ache. So, at what level do you weigh that towards the opportunity of well being care premiums? I imply, this ache could be very actual and really acute for other folks on your state at this time.
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: And it is been occurring now for weeks, weeks too lengthy. The federal government must reopen as a result of, along with the ache that we’re already seeing federal workers and executive contractors dealing with….
MARGARET BRENNAN: However 8 Democrats may just pass the aisle and accomplish that.
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: We completely want everybody to vote to open the federal government.
And that is the reason to not say that the demanding situations we are dealing with inside our well being care machine aren’t additionally quick and acute. Even the passage of the One Giant Stunning Invoice may have catastrophic affects on Virginia, taking $26 billion out of our well being care, resulting in the closure of a minimum of six rural hospitals.
We have now already noticed 3 rural clinics announce their closure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: Masses of 1000’s will lose their Medicaid.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me…
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: And so the affects on well being care are already catastrophic.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to…
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: However we can’t compound that ache via conserving the federal government closed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let’s take a destroy and end this at the different aspect of it.
Please stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we can be proper again with much more Face the Country.
Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to “FACE THE NATION.”
We go back to our dialog with Virginia Governor-elect Abigail Spanberger.
Governor-elect, synthetic intelligence has created a truly giant call for for those information facilities. And Virginia has the arena’s biggest focus of them. Energy expenses are up just about seven % on your state over the last 12 months. Is that pushed via the A.I. increase? And, if that is so, how do you offset the ones emerging power prices?
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER (D-VA): Smartly, what we now have noticed within the – within the analysis thus far is that it isn’t – the rise prices aren’t pushed via the rise in information facilities. There is, you already know, some dangerous power insurance policies in a few of our neighboring states that experience pushed up costs, specifically in southwest Virginia.
However taking a look against the long run, we must be clear-eyed about the truth that we can have an power disaster headed into the long run. And so right here, at the flooring in Virginia, we these days have a charge (ph) case the place it is going to be necessary that large-scale power customers, specifically information facilities, that the general public know that they’re paying their justifiable share for the power that they’re the usage of. And we need to building up our power manufacturing right here at house in order that we will meet the call for surely of larger-scale power customers but additionally of greater call for from our communities.
And this is a actual problem that we need to get forward of. And that is the reason why a few of the first affordability plans that I laid out was once one all in favour of power. It is a problem this is pervasive throughout our communities, and specifically acute in southwest Virginia.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Only a few days in the past Cornell College reached a $60 million take care of the Trump management to be able to see their federal investment restored. That is the 5th such deal for the reason that management started this power marketing campaign on universities.
I do know you went to College of Virginia, as did I, and will have to be following that UVA reduce offers with the federal government, together with kicking out the president of the varsity. You referred to as that extortion. However now, as governor, are you going to need to play ball with the Division of Schooling and the Justice Division to be able to stay federal executive investment going?
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: So, it must – it must surprise everybody that universities, private and non-private, are receiving calls for from the government and that greenbacks – analysis greenbacks are being withheld, that our universities are underneath assault. And surely what we now have noticed relating to the College of Virginia, of a well-liked, skilled, superb president, was once driven out. And at the flooring right here we didn’t see our governor, in anyway, step up in protection of our college.
And the concept the government could be withholding federal greenbacks, you already know, together with greenbacks already appropriated via Congress for analysis to be able to compel universities to take positive movements, it’s absolute federal executive overreach. And as governor, I can be clear- eyed about making sure that we’ve got constructions in position, together with forums of tourists throughout our universities, that need to protect instructional freedom and, frankly, the viability and energy of ordinary establishments, just like the College of Virginia.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to ask you about your celebration. In 2020, when Democrats misplaced Space seats, you mentioned “we want to no longer ever use the phrase socialist or socialism ever once more.” There are some who glance to Tuesday’s win in New York Town of a Democratic socialist and say that your celebration’s if truth be told being rewarded for echoing modern insurance policies. Does that victory create a branding drawback for Democrats?
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: Smartly, surely, you already know, I am fascinated by what we did right here in Virginia on Tuesday in – I campaigned addressing – short of to handle the problems of prices and preventing the chaos. I am a capitalist. I am a Democrat. And I gained via 15 issues in Virginia. You glance to New Jersey, and a an identical tale in Mikie Sherrill’s win, now the governor- elect there.
And so I believe, you already know, surely we are a large tent celebration, but if I have a look at what ended in the good fortune that we had right here and the – you already know, the mandate for actual governance right here within the Commonwealth of Virginia, it was once in line with what I campaigned on, the efforts to truly cope with the demanding situations that individuals are dealing with in a day by day foundation. And – and now it is on us to ship and end up that truly in reality the mandate that we need to paintings on reducing prices and strengthening our colleges and conserving our communities protected and growing stable management right here within the Commonwealth of Virginia specifically in mild of the chaos popping out of Washington, that no longer handiest was once it a profitable message, however the profitable trail against governance.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thanks very a lot on your time this morning, Governor- elect Abigail Spanberger, the – who would be the first feminine governor ever of the state of Virginia.
We will be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: On Friday, we spoke with some of the different giant Democratic winners closing Tuesday, New Jersey’s Governor-elect Mikie Sherrill, who’s these days a member of Congress, and requested whether or not given her new position as the manager government of a state arduous hit via the shutdown she would enhance the Democratic Birthday party place of blocking off executive investment till Obamacare subsidies are prolonged.
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GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL (D-NJ): Smartly, it is truly necessary that we stay up that combat as a result of we see out there prices going up via 175 % if the Republicans do not cope with this well being care disaster. We all know that there have already been large cuts in the only giant, stunning invoice to other folks’s get right of entry to to well being care.
And, you already know, after we have a look at this disaster, such a lot of it’s truly imposed via Donald Trump. So, there’s cash for him to place against SNAP investment that he is refusing to do, although courts are challenging it. Now he is roughly sluggish strolling it, making it very tough for states to do this illegally. And courts are retaining him responsible.
We see with air visitors regulate issues, a few of it’s because the management hasn’t moved temporarily sufficient at Newark in one of the issues we had over the summer season. So, we are already down via 25 %. Now, with this disaster occurring, since the president refuses to open up the federal government, we are seeing any other 10 % in flights being derailed, and we see persisted overdue and behind schedule flights.
So, it is time that the federal government – that the Trump management, that Republicans within the Space and the Senate get enthusiastic about opening up executive.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Once we have a look at our fresh polling, a majority of American citizens are truly involved that this shutdown goes to harm the total economic system. How are you able to justify the wear and tear?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: Smartly, it in reality is hurting the economic system. And you’ll be able to’t justify the wear and tear, which is why the president and the Senate and Republican majority within the Space want to get this executive open. They usually want to accomplish that in some way that is going to forestall punishing the American other folks.
I believe what we noticed with this election is the American other folks want – you already know, are truly challenging that our federal executive perform in some way this is going to forestall punishing them economically. I’m going to inform you, I ran on affordability, on the truth that I’ll combat in Trenton to ensure we are slicing thru crimson tape and allowing to force down prices. But in addition that I’ll proceed to combat that – for Washington to handle such things as the tariff program, which is elevating prices on the whole thing from a cup of espresso to groceries, to combat the only giant stunning invoice, which is constant to boost prices on training, innovation, housing, well being care, to proceed to combat this executive shutdown in order that we will truly cope with well being care wishes right here within the state.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You stay pronouncing it is as much as the president to reopen the federal government, however you withheld your personal vote on that proceeding answer, that non permanent investment invoice. And over within the Senate, Chief Thune is tearing into Democrats for that call. He mentioned, “it displays you are no longer worrying that there are women and men in uniform frequenting meals banks as a result of the shutdown, no longer making constitute bills, looking to borrow.” He mentioned Dems view this as leverage. And he used that phrase as it was once your Space management, Katherine Clark, justified withholding votes to finish the shutdown, pronouncing, that is some of the few portions of leverage that Democrats have.
How do you reply to this accusation that it is if truth be told Democrats who’re being heartless right here?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: Smartly, if in case you have the Republicans that experience the presidency, they’ve the bulk within the Senate, they’ve the bulk within the Space, they have even – many would day, together with myself, taken over the court docket machine, then they’ve a duty to open up this executive. And I’ve to inform you, as a veteran myself, I understand how devastating this is.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, it was once – it was once with Clark who mentioned the ones votes are leverage.
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: Leverage to serve the American other folks. I imply we see time and again those Republican assaults on the whole thing from well being care – glance, if they do not fund the Reasonably priced Care Act, prices are going to head up via 175 % for other folks right here in New Jersey at already top ranges. This is going to kick such a lot of other folks off well being care. That is on most sensible of the massive Medicare cuts that we are seeing in the only giant stunning invoice, on most sensible of the tariff cuts which might be elevating grocery costs far and wide, on most sensible of the combat he is in, which is elevating gasoline costs.
So, time and again, we are seeing the Trump management punishing other folks. And those Republicans have were given to return to the desk and they have were given to begin truly operating for the American other folks. And this election confirmed that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However whilst you have been speaking concerning the extension of the well being care subsidies, why is not the promise to carry a vote on the ones well being care subsidies sufficient for Democrats to vote to reopen the federal government?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: So, we’re operating arduous to handle the worries for the American other folks. And Republicans time and again are refusing to handle that. So, at this time this is a part of how we get the federal government open. They usually must do it at this time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, the – Chief Thune mentioned he’s going to dangle a vote.
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: I believe we now have noticed what the guarantees that Republicans have made had been value. What he must do is if truth be told put the subsidies in. We will be able to serve the American other folks. We will be able to force down well being care prices. And that is the reason truly key.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let’s communicate just a little about your election. As you mentioned, the economic system was once entrance and heart for you. Power costs specifically you centered in on. In New Jersey, they are up 19 % over the last 12 months as opposed to six % national. I do know you need to claim a state of emergency day one, however what does it if truth be told imply? How temporarily will costs come down?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: So, the state of emergency will freeze charge hikes as a result of there are some charge hikes which might be set to return into play within the subsequent a number of months. And I, you already know, I am not going to permit the ones to be put at the again of the New Jersey charge pair. And we see that the can has been kicked down the street via too many of us.
So, the software corporations have already come to the desk so say, OK, let’s negotiate the ones charge hikes. We have now cash that is available in throughout the BP (ph) view (ph) to defray the prices. However what is truly going to additionally occur is in no time I am turning to including a large number of energy to our grid. At the moment, PJM, that is our regional grid operator, has truly screwed up the marketplace for quite a lot of causes and so each electron we produce in New Jersey will defray the prices of electrical energy we need to purchase in the marketplace. So, that is why straight away I’ll reduce thru crimson tape and allowing delays to get sun performed. We are going to proceed to construct out battery garage. After which, within the first funds, we can enlarge modernization of our herbal gasoline amenities and, in the long run, nuclear.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You mentioned on CNN this previous week that “there is a feeling operating other folks have no longer been heard” and that “there may be an excessive amount of warning and mediocrity within the Democratic Birthday party lately.” What did you imply via that?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: That as I used to be speaking to other folks throughout this state, 1000’s of other folks, they sought after to peer an time table to get their prices down. And one thing that was once going to happen temporarily. As I mentioned, you already know, I am not writing a strongly worded letter, I am not doing a ten-year plan, I am on day one stating a state of emergency. No longer simply because I am livid that, you already know, as too many of us have failed New Jersey charge payers, that prices are being dumped on them. Sure, that could be a large drawback for me that I am addressing. Nevertheless it additionally, I believe, conveys that sense of urgency that I think to paintings for the folk of New Jersey in order that they know that it is a day one factor for me.
Additionally they need to see anyone, even though, that has their backs as a result of they know that those price lists are elevating prices. They know that the only giant, stunning invoice goes to remove their well being care. They know {that a} tax at the Gateway Tunnel mission are going to boost prices right here and truly reduce into activity alternatives. So, they need to know that whoever is governing goes to be all in favour of governing for them, no longer a celebration of 1 like Donald Trump.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, your grievance there was once of fellow Democrats, as I understood it. However let me ask you about Speaker Emeritus Nancy Pelosi. She simply introduced that she’s going to be leaving Congress. After I spoke to her closing in this program, she indicated that she is aware of it is a drawback recruiting new applicants, partly as a result of the surroundings we are in, together with simply how nasty our politics are and the safety threats. And he or she mentioned that is discouraging specifically ladies who worry the affect on kids.
What do you assert to these making an allowance for for workplace at this time? Are you seeing that, that feminine applicants are scared of doing what you simply did?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: Smartly, we labored very arduous right here in New Jersey to truly construct out a long term and an concept that is going to convey everyone in and truly operating arduous to stay other folks protected. Public protection is a large one way or the other for me and for other folks around the state as we double down on our constitutional protections, freedom of speech, freedom of meeting, et cetera. However this is a frightening time.
I take note, proper when I gained my number one, the assassinations in Minnesota happened. And right here I’ve 4 children and I am all of sudden considering, oh my gosh, am I striking them in danger via working?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: However, you already know, what I believe maximum folks are weighing is, as mothers, if we are applicants is, what’s my children’ long term appear to be if I do not run? And that is the reason on stability, I believe, individuals are opting for to run. I see ladies throughout our state working. We have now, you already know, other folks newly entering races and likewise one of the nice tough ladies in our state proceeding to serve. So, I don’t believe it is dissuading them. Nevertheless it surely is on our minds as we’re excited about, how are we going to stay our households protected as we’re working for elected workplace.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, Congresswoman, we will be observing as you transition into being the following governor of New Jersey.
Thanks on your time lately.
We will be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We cross now to the Republican governor of West Virginia, Patrick Morrisey, who joins us from Charleston.
Just right morning to you, sir.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY (R-WV): Whats up, excellent morning, Margaret. Just right to be with you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, your state has some of the absolute best poverty charges within the nation, just about 16 % of citizens depend on meals stamps, that SNAP program we now have been speaking about. Actually, the first actual meals stamp pilot program started in West Virginia again within the Nineteen Sixties.
Given the present shutdown and the way rural your state is, I ponder, can you get lend a hand to people who want it at this time?
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Completely. Glance, nice query. I do need to get started out, to start with, thanking you for having me at the program.
One piece of knowledge popping out of West Virginia, we now have had a mining coincidence, and we now have groups down searching for a lacking miner. I simply need to say, that our hearts and prayers cross out to the circle of relatives of that miner. We are doing the whole thing we will to find that individual.
Now, on the subject of the federal government shutdown, we are doing the whole thing we will to lend a hand the ones in want. On the very starting, I began status up for the federal employees, and we introduced that to handle one of the issues with meals, we have been going to ship important greenbacks to the meals banks via day after today. That will probably be as much as $13 million. I have activated the Nationwide Guard. And we are doing issues to be sure that nobody in West Virginia is going hungry.
Our individuals are hurting at this time, and I am doing the whole thing I will to unravel the issues whilst Washington bickers. However I do need to be clean, this shutdown may just come to an finish in an instant. It is as much as Chuck Schumer or simply having six extra Democrats step around the line.
There is been a blank CR at the desk to be had for a while. Other people must profit from that and let’s get the federal government reopened after which we will cross concerning the trade of adjusting the various different issues dealing with our nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. I am sorry to listen to concerning the mining coincidence.
However at the factor of meals stamps, Governor Moore of Maryland mentioned that he have been advised the state could be punished necessarily for fronting the cash. Is that the message the government additionally gave to you, West Virginia would possibly not get the ones greenbacks again?
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: No. Smartly, to start with, I need to emphasize, the Trump management has been a really perfect spouse to paintings with during the previous 12 months when it comes to the commercial growth that we are making right here in West Virginia.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Positive.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: But in addition we now have reached out – I used to be the primary individual to achieve out to the government. So we had our nationwide parks reopened.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: And now we are operating, via activating the Guard, and striking sources on the meals banks. We are if truth be told creating a distinction to stay other folks from getting hungry.
So, we now have been in very shut touch with the Trump management. And they have been very cooperative.
Glance, I believe they know, and everybody’s annoyed, that you are six votes quick. Those Democrats are pronouncing no to reopening the federal government. It is a Schumer shutdown. I believe President Trump is bending over backwards to be useful, and I am fascinated by the issues he is doing when it comes to how he is dealing with this and the wider financial problems at vast.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Smartly, there’s the combat within the courts in particular about offering complete meals assist. The Trump management initiated that. I need to play one thing for you as a result of 70 % of West Virginians voted for President Trump within the closing election.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However this is how he described the meals stamp program.
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DONALD TRUMP, (President of the USA): In large part, whilst you discuss SNAP, you are speaking about in large part Democrats. However I am president. I need to lend a hand everyone. I need to lend a hand Democrats and Republicans. However when you find yourself speaking about SNAP, in case you glance, it is in large part Democrats. They are hurting their very own other folks.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Have you ever made the White Space conscious about the ache from the meals SNAP – the meals program disruptions in particular?
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Sure. So, we now have been operating carefully with the White Space. And I believe they know. They have got been very supportive of a large number of the efforts that we are taking to be sure that other folks do not get hungry. That is the final function. We have now to ensure we are protective our other folks.
Margaret, you are proper, we now have 270,000 plus other folks on SNAP. However, as soon as once more, there may be one reason they are no longer getting the sources. This is because individuals are insisting so as to add these types of new items on most sensible of only a invoice (ph) to stay the federal government open. That is the worry we now have.
However we now have been getting truly excellent reaction from the Trump management around the board.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Whether or not we are speaking concerning the meals problems, whether or not we are speaking about our power jobs and even only in the near past the conversations we are having about President Trump’s rural well being transformation invoice to place sources in advance to save lots of public expenditures on the again finish.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to ask you about that.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: That is the type of excellent operating courting we now have had.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to ask you about that as a result of I do know West Virginia has some of the absolute best charges within the nation for presidency insurance coverage. There is worry about rural hospitals. There’s this rural well being transformation program Congress arrange. Your state may just get $100 million a 12 months for 5 years, however your West Virginia Health facility Affiliation says that your hospitals are going to lose greater than $1 billion in keeping with 12 months as a result of this newest giant, stunning invoice Republicans handed. How do you’re making up that roughly shortfall?
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Smartly, I believe what President Trump and RFK and Dr. Oz. are looking to do is not unusual sense. In case you subscribe to the adage, an oz of prevention is value a pound of remedy, what they are looking to do is make investments the one biggest sum of money in making improvements to rural well being. And in West Virginia, that implies the whole thing as a result of we are an excessively rural state.
So, the sources can cross to put money into our other folks, to put money into our hospitals, our suppliers, and the generation that if truth be told may just transfer the needle when it comes to making improvements to well being care results in advance.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Attacking weight problems and COPD and substance use dysfunction.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: So, we are truly fascinated by that as a result of if we follow the sources the precise approach, I don’t believe we are going to have the diminution of public expenditures on the again finish.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: That is the common sense method we are seeing from the Trump management that we are not seeing from Schumer and the Democrats in Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. All proper.
Governor, we need to go away it there. We’re out of time. Thanks.
We will be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The US Marine Corps will mark its 250th birthday day after today. And Veterans Day is Tuesday.
For plenty of veterans, the tip in their army carrier isn’t the tip in their public carrier. Greater than 700,000 veterans paintings as civilians within the federal executive. And because of the shutdown, maximum are furloughed or had been operating with out pay for weeks.
In contrast to veterans, active-duty carrier individuals had been getting paid all over the shutdown, however even that lifeline will expire Saturday. And a few context, many army households already combat with a rising quantity compelled to hunt the help of meals pantries over the previous couple of years amid top costs and mounting financial power.
That is it for us lately. Thanks for observing.
